Spirit Animals-How to Find Your Animal Totem

Deb (6s):
Welcome to spirited straight talk the ultimate podcast for anyone who is ready to live a life with intention and help from spirit. I am your host, Deb shepherd, spiritual teacher, medium and author helping you open up to the whole enchilada or like, we like to say the soul enchilada so you can truly make your soul rise. So let’s go! Welcome back. This is Deb shepherd. I’m here with my dearest Dana tonight. We’re here to talk about communication and animal totems.

Deb (48s):
And when you’re on a spiritual journey, you start looking for signs in so many ways. People want to know is my loved one talking to me, is this, what does this mean? When this shows up in my life and the native Americans in some other cultures have had animal totem save, there’ve been messengers for them. And they believe that the universe God has brought this animal to their tribe to be able to communicate with what they need.

Dana (1m 16s):
And show them signs.

Deb (1m 18s):
Yeah. And so you’ll see, in some of these native cultures, even with Eskimos, they’ll have totem poles and those totem poles are each of the animals that are for that community as what they stand for with their spirit animals,

Dana (1m 35s):
Like their spirit animals.

Deb (1m 37s):
What I thought was interesting is the one on the bottom of the totem is actually the most powerful. And we’re always saying we want to, you know, get up to the top. And I would assume that the one on the bottom is the one that carries all the strings. So I found that really fascinating. And so today I think we’re going to, well, I know we’re going to, but talk about, you know, our animal totems and what we’ve seen in and how to recognize them. And when I first started this journey and this work, I was really drawn to the hawk and I would see Hawks everywhere all the time flying into my car. I even had a whole family of Hawks that for one year lived in my backyard.

Deb (2m 18s):
I remember. And they would fly very close and sit on my deck. And one in particular, I don’t know if it was the mom or dad, but it would come over and even drop, I’m sure it was rabbit or something that they had caught to give their family and would drop food off. And I remember being gone a couple of times and I’m like, okay, this is just odd. And they’d sit there and stare at me. And when I would be gone, I went to the mountains for a few days when I came back, they were banging or this one particular one was banging on my window in anger that I was gone. It was surreal. It was like the movie, you know, a Hitchcock movie

Dana (2m 56s):
Angry?that you were gone or that you just got back.

Deb (2m 59s):
Yeah, I don’t know, but It was just like angry at the thing. And I finally called the Audubon society and I said, Hey, this is my story with a hundred question, we live close to a reservoir. So we’re going to see some of those animals in nature. And they said, they’ve never heard of that kind of story before that they had adopted me. And this was during the time of my life. I need to really pay attention to what was going on. It was after my husband had passed, you know, trying to do this business on my own and things like that. I wanted to write, finish writing my book. And that was just such a strong message for me. And I’ve always looked for me, you know, you and I are driving and go, there’s one, there’s one there’s one. So anyway,

Dana (3m 35s):
Seems like no matter where we drive, we’ll see, we’ll see Hawks. Yeah. You know, and I know that they’re around a lot here in Colorado and in the Western states.

Deb (3m 44s):
But even in California other places we’ll see them and yeah, exactly. But over the years, things have changed for me a little bit on who was, you know, what totems came to mind?

Dana (3m 54s):
Well, we even had one. I was just thinking, I’m remembering, sorry to interrupt. But we even had one fly directly in front of the car one time and we almost hit it.

Deb (4m 3s):
And yours was bizarre. Yeah. So the hawk means if you’re having a dream about a hawk, where you see a Hawk, it’s about the power of vision intuition using your intuition daily, focused leadership. I clarity future planning. And that really makes sense for me because I always am able to, when I’m doing sessions or readings, I’m able to kind of rise above a situation and see the bigger picture. That’s what the Hawk does. It, it sees the big picture, but it can dart down to pick up its prey. And I can do that with someone’s situation. I can look at them and go A, B and C to help them very quickly. So I know the hawk is used for my intuition. And it’s interesting. That’s what the Hawk means to me is intuition.

Deb (4m 46s):
So I know it will always be one of my totems, but over time we’ve had other experience or I’ve had other experiences. And for some reason, this is before COVID I kept seeing giraffs. I mean, you know, we’re not in Africa.

Dana (5m 1s):
I remember. And Everywhere we turned, you were like, Oh my God, there’s another giraffe.

Deb (5m 5s):
Yeah. And it would be like, even we’d go to home goods and there’d be like the seven foot Giraffe sculpture. And I’m like, is that in your face? Or what?

Dana (5m 13s):
And right TV, they be scrolling on the, you know, Facebook and giraffes would show up. Yeah.

1 (5m 21s):
So that’s when, you know, you know, there’s a message there. And I eventually found in sort of an antique with two giraffes, basically hugging because I knew that it was an important totam for me.

Dana (5m 32s):
And, and it would have been really funny. Had we seen a giraffe, actually, we went to the zoo to the zoo to see the giraffes too. Yes. And yeah,

Deb (5m 43s):
If you’re a person, there’s some people out there that are listening that like animals more than people. So if you’re an animal lover, this would be something for you to do some searching on. And you know, I always say dive deep and really understanding more about what these animals mean to you, but giraffe is about self, self acceptance. And I can’t say that

Dana (6m 7s):
You were talking twisted self-acceptance yes.

Deb (6m 10s):
Thank you. Self-love, neck is prominent. It’s my voice. Opening your heart, grace, peace, communication and perception. Now this was before COVID and like right before COVID and this really makes sense about what was going on, especially about communication and perception because of what was going on in our world. And I get paid for speaking, but that long neck and how that works and how that’s who you recognize the giraffe. And then about the zoo. Or zoo is really a beautiful zoo and we hadn’t been in awhile. But what stood out for me that day was the rhino, the dad rhino, I don’t know if it was a black white or not, but that sucker was huge.

Dana (6m 47s):
He was, he walked out and you could feel the earth shake. He was that big.

Deb (6m 52s):
He was from a distance and he looked prehistoric and that’s how big, but he, he was obviously like

Dana (6m 58s):
A dinosaur for sure. He was that big.

Deb (7m 1s):
And he really drew me in one of those things. I just went, wow. And so of course I had to look it up and it means stamina’s dirtiness, substance strength and resilience. They will try to avoid confrontation unless it’s

Dana (7m 15s):
Oh my Gosh. So you,

Deb (7m 19s):
If you’ve listened to the other previous podcasts and stuff, you know, I’ve, I put my foot in my mouth a few times this last year or so, and I love to avoid confrontation. I’ll hand the phone to Dana anytime and say, please deal with this. And I’m also a Taurus, which is the bull and both of them are not ones that like to confront unless they’re pushed. And that is so amazed. So I thought it was really kind of in alignment with the bull as well.

Dana (7m 44s):
Yeah. I even, I have to be very careful when I approach approach things. Not that I’m fearful of you, but I know that if I push you, you know, even like, okay, we have to record today today. If I push too hard, you’re like, um no.

Deb (8m 6s):
I don’t have any issues. Okay. I found that very insightful as well. The other thing that the rhino brings out is the rise above prejudice. Wow. And so mindful for what’s been going on in our world because you look at the rhino and you are afraid, and this thing is you think he’s going to run after you. I’m sure if you were in the wild or what, that looks like that big horn, but it says that they’re really actually very gentle unless they feel provoked. And what we’ve been going through with, with racism and prejudice over the last couple of years, you know, the rhino is really definitely the symbol for us to sit back

Dana (8m 48s):
More front and center it’s spring, you know, the situation is being brought to light. So yeah, that makes sense.

Deb (8m 56s):
So I thought that was something to be,

Dana (8m 58s):
can I tell a zoo story please? I thought the funniest part and the animal that stood out to me was the monkey that I was carrying the grand baby girl Teleha. And the monkey kept playing with her through the glass and would hit the glass. And she was like six months or seven months, but they just stared at each other for as long as I stood there with him and she, her and the monkey, they just, the monkey kept hitting the glass or coming up to her on the glass and just staring back at her, which was fun to see.

Deb (9m 37s):
So, which is interesting for the next one, but for monkey, I’m reading this right now. So if you, if you see an animal or have a dream about an animal, you can Google the spiritual meaning of, and then put that animal in there. The monkey says the spirit animal appears whenever you need to let joy into your life. The spiritual meaning of monkey is also, let me put this up, very curious. Tthey do a lot like humans by how they like to connect them with their babies and take care of everybody. So that really makes sense. And we call her a little monkey, cause she’s always climbing on everything.

Dana (10m 11s):
She climbs everywhere on everything. She’s like a little mountain goat.

Deb (10m 17s):
Maybe that’s her totem. One thing, if you want to know too, how do I recognize my totem animal? My mom has collected dolphins for at, when people buy her dolphins and butterflies. Those are two things and they’re just gentle and beautiful and they’re fun, loving. And that’s certainly my mom, you know, she’s one of those individuals that enjoys having fun with her friends and family. My sister-in-law has collected elephants over the years.

Dana (10m 47s):
Yeah. She has a ton of elephants.

Deb (10m 48s):
She does. And she’s always resonated with what was interesting when I was Googling a little bit more updating on this. I’ve always believed that the, the trunk, if it was down, that was a negative. But what they’re saying that it’s not a negative, it means sensuality, good luck and things like that. But in feng shui, which is what I teach, they want you to have the trunk, the trunk up. So I just thought that was interesting. And again, when you have this connection with elephants, it takes two years for them to give birth. So that also could mean for you that there’s a two year waiting period before something changes for you. Okay.

Dana (11m 25s):
I just, I love elephants.

Deb (11m 28s):
Well your desk has elephants on them.

Dana (11m 32s):
Yep. The desk has elephants on them. And I have this, I got this a long time ago. Actually. I have a wooden elephant with its trunk up. And I got that from my grandmother, I believe. And then I have another elephant, which is a, a potted elephant. But you said if you put a potted, like if you could put an elephant outside your front door facing towards your front door and that it brings good luck.

Deb (11m 58s):
Correct. And again, it’s all intention, right? So Dana has like 5,000 plants everywhere. So she has an elephant pot where you can put out in front now, bring us some more,

Dana (12m 12s):
Which is a good color. So

Deb (12m 15s):
Those are some things, but what’s your favorite bird? Dana.

Dana (12m 20s):
Oh, well I love hummingbirds. I don’t know what it is. I like all the tiny animals, like, so, you know, we have a tiny dog and I’m always looking at those teeny tiny little teacups, dwarf goats or whatever are they? I think they’re adorable

Deb (12m 39s):
So it’s a chicken, it’s a horse. Anything that’s miniature.

Dana (12m 43s):
Yeah. And those miniture Highland cows with the long hair. Oh my gosh. Those are so cute. This is so tiny hummingbird. It’s just like a smaller version of a bird. They’re just, yeah.

Deb (12m 55s):
Well, I so far put some things down, hummingbirds mean good luck and it also means enjoyed the sweetness of life. The bird is capable of doing all kinds of maneuvers flying backwards. There’s not any bird that can fly backwards and this

Dana (13m 11s):
Isn’t a bug.

Deb (13m 13s):
And if you’ve listened To the podcast about Dana’s journey, the sweetness of life, I think is just so perfect about that energy and the flying backwards. I mean, you’ve been able to do so many different things in your life too, even though you had some traumatic times, you’ve never let that define you. And that’s really amazing that that bird does it. And of course it goes really fast and they’re always busy. And so like, we try to leave the house. I’m the shepherd guiding Dana out to the car.

Dana (13m 45s):
I have to do 12 things on my way out to the car. If I see something It’s funny because if I see something that needs to be done on my way, I’m like, I’m just going to do this. Cause I don’t like to let, let things sit. So even when you take the recycling and you leave it in the laundry room, I’m like, I just, it’s three steps. I’m just going to put it outside. You know? So it’s like, I just have to complete

Deb (14m 13s):
It’s my fault because I didn’t put the recycling and the trash. Yeah. It’s just funny how that’s just how you’re wired. Yeah, yeah. Wrong or right with how we were, you know, it’s like, I always still Dana, I’m the Taurus, you know, I sit in the field for a long time until they need me. So I don’t do a lot of movement. So what I want to do is help people figure out who they are, how to find their totem or a totem as a messenger for that period of time. For instance, even when I saw the rhino, this was before I went into another hospital visit and the resilience and things like that. So sometimes you may get an animal coming to you or be in your view to let you know what’s coming up and to be prepared or pay attention to, or how do you like the confrontations?

Deb (15m 4s):
I don’t like confrontations. I just crack that. That was hysterical for me. I was like, Oh my goodness. I read it before. But I read it again For this podcast, but I just thought it was interesting because I, I am the biggest person that just says, Oh, okay.

Dana (15m 20s):
You will procrastinate if it comes to that. Yeah. I mean, it’s not a bad quality. It’s just,

Deb (15m 29s):
I like things to marinade I say, but yeah. I also don’t want to do a knee jerk reaction. I’ve had a tendency to do. And when I do that, I feel as if I am the bull in the China store. So I know for me, it’s better that I sit with something for a while before I respond right away. So in order to find your animal totem or a messenger, find out what qualities are your superpowers. So if you look at the monkey that can swim through trees, you know, those kinds of things. If you’re a person that can do all kinds of things like we’re talking with you, maybe it’s the hummingbird. So looking at those qualities, what do you like to eat? Are you a carnivore, or do you eat plant-based food only?

Deb (16m 11s):
Do you love the water? Do you love being in the forest? I mean, what is it that resonates with you?

Dana (16m 17s):
So give some examples, like of what people, so when you talk about superpowers, I understand like carnivore versus, but you know, maybe some of the things that they can tie together with an animal. So for example, if your totem is a bear, what would you say the qualities would be for

Deb (16m 42s):
Well, a is depending on if you’re a female bear male bear, but you know, the, the mama bear you don’t want to mess with. She’s very protective. She, or he likes to hibernate. So if you’re a person that doesn’t really like winter and you want to see the sun out and you know, that would be a, for instance of you just hibernating the food they eat, it’s more pesctarian or would that be it?

Dana (17m 5s):
I think it depends on the, the type of bear they are. Right.

Deb (17m 9s):
So you’re going to look at what kind of bear they are. But my friend, Cindy Barbara, you know, Cindy, she was always the totem bear. She always had the totem bear and it fit her too as well.

Dana (17m 20s):
Cause she was a mama bear.

Deb (17m 21s):
She was a mama bear and there’s just other things about it. And she would find them and collect them. I remember getting her some items that bears on them. It was just, she was really drawn to probably cause of Colorado and the bears as well.

Dana (17m 35s):
So I have a funny one. So our son Thomas, we always call him, we Call him the sloths because he, he can be very fast. He was an athlete. He, you know, a lot about him. That’s quick when you are watching him, he’ll accomplish something. But it’s almost like it’s in slow motion and it’s so weird and not to be mean he’s no, no, he just, he that’s him. He just, he will take his time in movement. And so we, we call him the Sloth because he’s very methodical about his movement, which is kind of funny, but, and so we call him, of course we call Taleah the baby sloth.

Deb (18m 21s):
I even got him a sloth blanket, but yeah, you just kind of see those or someone that goes, you’re busy as a bee. You know, we’ve said these things you’re slow as a turtle, you know? So we’ve had these terms for a long time that we’ve used to analyze somebody or compare them to someone. And I think too, it’s like the a, there’s two other stories I want to share with people. But one of her girlfriends Kelly and she doesn’t live very far from us and she’s driving home and she sees a porcupine just walking down the middle of the street.

Dana (18m 50s):
I’d freak out of if I saw a porcupine.

Deb (18m 53s):
Where did that come from? So to me, that’s a huge message for, for her for that day. And I didn’t look it up. It’ll be interesting to if I want to read it, but this is recent. This is a few years back. And then one night or one day, one morning, early morning, I was on the way too early

Dana (19m 9s):
Early Morning what??!

Deb (19m 10s):
And this was radio. And I was on my way to the radio station. And there was a male Mallard duck walking down the road, which you just don’t see by itself. Right. And we have ponds nearby and things like that.

Dana (19m 23s):
But this was in the street, the middle of the street.

Deb (19m 26s):
And we’re in a housing development. Yeah. So residential I’m like, okay, that was weird. But you know, let things roll off my back. You know, like they say for the duck, well, Dana and I then got home or I got home and Dana had found that we’d caught two mice, but they weren’t dead. And we don’t like to kill anything. So we just

Dana (19m 47s):
They Were life caught and we, yeah. We

Deb (19m 49s):
Decided to take them up to the park, let him go in someone else’s house.

Dana (19m 54s):
Don’t think we are weird, don’t judge us.

Deb (19m 57s):
So we’re up to this park and we’re trying to open up, we thought there was only one little mouse in there because I mean, looking at the very close details. Okay. So I was actually probably feeding the Hawks. Was that what I was doing? Take care of my totems out there anyway. So we’re letting the mice go and this car pulls up with a box, a box of some husband and wife and a baby child at the box of these two baby ducklings, like tiny, tiny. I mean, their wings are size of our thumbnails. And they were saying to us, you know, did you have you seen the mom or whatever? And you’re not supposed to take them away from there, but I didn’t know.

Deb (20m 38s):
We don’t know where they took him. I said, well, you know our vets across the street.

Dana (20m 41s):
Yeah. You volunteered us.

Deb (20m 43s):
Yes I did. And so of course our vet goes, I’m going to take in those things Because you know, she does dogs and cats and turtles or gerbals or something. I don’t know, probably dogs and cats. And so we thought, okay, well we have these little baby ducks. And so we named them Fern and Lily after my mom and her grandmother. And we put them in a box with a warm blanket or warm towel, and we were trying to give them water. And one of them would not stay in the box It kept jumping up and down. It would jump as high as it could. And the other ones just sit in the corner going where the heck I’m like, where’s my mother. And we called around. And we found out that there’s a, a man, not too far from us that would take in the stray birds.

Dana (21m 24s):
Well, it turns out we found out that the people that picked up the baby ducks should not have picked them up. They should have left him there because what happens is the parents typically will go get food or what have you. And they will leave their ducklings for a short time. So don’t Pick up ducks, don’t pick them up, just leave them.

Deb (21m 43s):
We didn’t know where mom and dad were.

Dana (21m 45s):
So they were handed over to us by people.

Deb (21m 47s):
So, so what we did is we found this, this man that had some rescue for birds and we took them to him. They were so tiny. They wouldn’t stay in the gated fence, but they were so excited about seeing other birds. They were bringing around. I’m sure to go. I get my mother and my mother. But again, that’s another way of really hitting us over the head. And so the spiritual meaning For these ducks.. It makes sure you don’t miss the opportunities it brings and the messages that the spirit will want you to know, let go of your emotions and embrace the ducks power. The spirit of the duck has someone before you to give a wake up call, you need to take a step back and watch for the symbolism as it is a warning that you no longer have control over your emotions and require protection.

Dana (22m 37s):
Whoa, well, that’s trippy. Yeah. Well right around there Time, wasn’t it? Cause this was two years ago, right? Around that time, there were things going on. There was a lot of things going on and we did need that.

Deb (22m 51s):
And it talks about self-expression feelings, balance grace and strength. And so again, it’s just a funny way for your, the universe to go, you know, kind of tapping on the shoulder.

Dana (23m 4s):
What about the squirrel? Remember the squirrel.

Deb (23m 6s):
Okay. We’re gonna tell you One more animal story. We have a lot of Like Dr. Doolittle. So I told this story, I’m driving home one day,

Dana (23m 20s):
just around the corner from the house and in the middle of the street, I see a squirrel. It’s laying, laying flat in the middle of the road, but I see it lift its head. And then I see it kind of look around and lay his head back down. And I S I turned the corner and I start having this immediate feeling of guilt and something pushing me to go pick the darn squirrel, get the squirrel out of the middle of the street. I could not bear to have it lay there. You know, even if it was injured or something, I didn’t want it to get smashed. And I just, I had this issue with it. So I pull over and

Deb (24m 0s):
this is for catching mice and releasing them in the wild, I mean And ducks,

Dana (24m 10s):
but so I park and I run all the way back over to the middle of the street. And this is a busy street. So I’m like watching this cars roll over this squirrel and I’m timing when I’m going to run out there and grab this girl and run back. So I get it after a couple of minutes and I pick it up and it, and before I pick it up, it’s just laying there, like it’s dead. And, but I scoop it up and right away its eyes pop, open. His head looks at me and it was almost like it had left its body and me touching it and brought it back. Yeah. And then I read about that later that animals will actually leave their body basically, or, or shut down before they’re dead.

Dana (24m 53s):
If they think they’re going to die, they shut down. But anyway, so I scoop it up and I run back to the car with it. It’s not moving at all. I’m not sure if it’s stunned. I don’t know, but I have it wrapped in my jacket and Deb’s at home getting ready for a group session. And so I find a box or a carrier for it. And I put it in the garage. We have animal carriers, but I leave it in the garage. Cause I’m like, well, I’m not going to bring this animal, this well animal into our home with our animals, you know, two dogs and two cats. So I go get Deb. I walk in and I’m like Deb.

Dana (25m 33s):
I have some, I have an issue. She was like, what, what, what

Deb (25m 38s):
I thought maybe she had a car accident.

Dana (25m 40s):
So we go to the garage and I show her this squirrel and they tell her I couldn’t leave it in the middle of the street. So we’re like trying to, you know, we couldn’t see an injury. We’re calling the vet again, our poor vet, which is a friend of ours. Thank goodness. And she’s like, well, I’m not there. Or else I would help. And you know, at least if it’s in pain, I would euthanize it or what have you. But we had no nothing we could do. And we had to take care of this group of people who was on their way to have a group session. So we gave it a little, we gave it a little drugs that we had from leftover, from a surgery that one of our dogs had and just like a little pain medication and just kind of let it rest and some water.

Dana (26m 24s):
And after we were done, we put it in the carrier, brought it in the house in the basement, so it could stay warm. And Deb went down there and thought it had it, hadn’t moved and thought it was,

Deb (26m 37s):
and I didn’t want to poke it or anything. So I just kind of looked and I didn’t see any kind of movement. And I went to the, I said, I don’t think it, I don’t Think it made it.

Dana (26m 46s):
And I told her she had to deal with it,

Deb (26m 48s):
But the story’s not done. So the next morning

Dana (26m 51s):
I go downstairs and I look in there and there’s a squirrel, just sitting up, looking at me. Like Hello. I don’t know what’s going on here, but so I take it outside and I open it Up the door and it just, it looks at me for a second. And then I closed the sliding glass to let it by itself. And it runs up a tree, a little crooked. It ran up the tree, then it was gone. Well, we did have it.

Deb (27m 20s):
No, this one we haven’t seen in a while, but we, because she had a chewed up ear. And so what’s the meaning of score I will. So talking about what was her, this girl, that Ronda Rousey. That’s what we named the Will’s girl, but she was Okay. It’s often a message for us To have more fun. It’s all of these.

Dana (27m 38s):
Yeah. Yeah.

Deb (27m 39s):
We’ve been so busy taking life So seriously that we have forgotten that play is essential to spiritual score meaning can apply that. We must look at practical matters, such as retirement insurance or even simple repairs. After all the spirit animal teaches that preparing for the future is a must. Oh, interesting. So squirrel like bear. Well, squirrel doesn’t sleep. The squirrel will pack all that food for the winter months. So they’re prepared for what shows up ahead with a bear. Maybe I’m also the bear. I just eat a lot to get through the winter, but he’ll stop when summer comes. It’s also, when you see an animal, it might be telling you what’s going on with your health.

Deb (28m 19s):
So do you need more greens? You need to be outdoors more. Do you need to be in water and things like that. So again, it’s really reminding you to pay attention to the signs. I’m not going to talk about the story, but there is the guy that was down on Australia, I think. And he was on a beach recently and an octopus came up and slapped him. So if you haven’t seen that video, please do. So is that not a message from the univers! And leaves big marks. So what I’m going to recommend again, is Pay attention. What animals are you drawn to? What makes you feel joy and happiness?

Deb (29m 1s):
What does that animal represent for you and what are their habits? And that’s going to help you again, when you’re not hearing those messages, the animals are going to be right there.

Dana (29m 12s):
You can almost start with animals that you really like drawn to. And that could be a totem animal for you, but also animals that you see, like even a lady bug the other day wa it’s freezing cold outside. And we see a lady bug crawl across the sidewalk in front of us.

Deb (29m 29s):
Of course we had to protect it to get to the other side. So no one else would stop and step on it. Now, you know where humanitarian, but it’s really fun. Make it fun. And like, People will get scared. Like, Oh, there’s a spider or there’s a snake. Actually. They’re all animals have a story to tell you. So never believe that an animal such as a snake or something that kind of

Dana (29m 55s):
a snake crossing your path is actually a powerful message

Deb (29m 59s):
powerful. So again, don’t get, well, you can get weirded out, but you can also just Google the spiritual meaning of it. And it’s another way to, to really connect with the universe. So yeah. Share, share your stories with others and look for the bugs in the animals.

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Deb (30m 24s):
Thank you so much.

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